Logitech M570 Trackball

Up until recently, I’ve always used a regular mouse, and I hated these trackball things; I thought they were awkward as heck, I felt super-slow, and quite frankly, I just didn’t like them. I actually tried one out because I have some wrist pain, I tried one out at work – the same one as this – and I think it may help with my wrist pain. And it’s actually not too shabby.

I’ve been using it for about a day now, a day and a half, and I actually kind of like it. It’s a matter of, with my new keyboard tray, finding the right angle, because I think when it’s flat like this, it still puts a little stress on my wrist, but as I angle it up a little bit more, kind of like a natural position, it seems to help. But basically what it is, I don’t know how you want to say it, but some track balls you use your middle fingers, or your fingertips up on top here, this one you use your thumb obviously. It uses the new Logitech little unifying dongle USB thingamabob here, which means you can add other, compatible, unifying Logitech devices by using just this piece. So, if you’re using a laptop or a tablet or something, you can just plug this single one in and get a wireless keyboard and mouse using just this device, which is really nice. I think you can go up to like seven or maybe more devices off this one, I can’t remember exactly.

This trackball is pretty cool. It’s a Logitech M570; it’s got a nice little blue ball, and it glides really smooth. You can pop this thing out to clean anything in there that might need cleaning; you’ve got a back and a forward button; of course you’ve got your scroll and your click. It’s nice because I know a lot of people complain that this one doesn’t have the side to side on that scroll wheel – I hate that. I don’t know, I accidentally always hit it, and I very rarely need to scroll right to left. Typically my browser window, or whatever I’m looking at, is wide enough, and if not I’ll just scroll using the scroll bars. Right and left click, it takes a single AA, which they say you could get about 18 months of life out of it, but is that really going to happen? I don’t know.

You’ve got an on and off switch here, so if you’re throwing it in your bag or something, go ahead and just switch it off when you’re traveling. Other than that, I mean, it’s a trackball. I know a lot of you probably don’t like these, and I thought the same thing, but it does feel like there’s some accuracy. At first, it’s kind of hard to get; if you’re trying to concentrate on one tiny little section, it’s a little hard, but as I’m getting used to it, it’s pretty nice. Either way, my review and my thoughts on this thing is, I like it; I’m going to keep trying it, day in and day out, and I’ll probably do another review after I’ve gotten used to it – let you guys know how the wrist pain is doing, and whether I still like it or not. Okay so, what do you guys think?

I want to take a second to show you my newest invention. I’ve been trying to set up my workspace now, more ergonomically, so that I can avoid some potential injury in the future (and in the present) since I, as a web developer, sit in the same position and keep my hand on a mouse basically all day long – up to 15 hours a day. So, I have switched mice, and moved to the Logitech M570; it’s a trackball mouse, it’s really nice. I really like it. It’s got 5 programmable buttons, and I can control the mouse with just my thumb on the trackball, no moving the mouse around. So hopefully that was going to help be more comfortable for my arm. What I noticed, though, was I still had some arm fatigue as I was using it, and after thinking about it and kind of playing around with some different positions, I realized it’s because, as with any standard mouse, my hand was palm-down, which is not a real natural position. I was getting some twist feeling in my forearm; even though I didn’t have to move it, I still had to twist my arm to use the mouse.

So what I did was, I went to a craft store, and bought a block of wood, and carved what I call the Ergonomic Wave. I didn’t spend very much time sanding and finishing this. It’s a pretty cool little thing; I covered it with some Neoprene, and gave it a little Neoprene bottom there to keep the mouse from sliding around and sliding off, and I set that right by my keyboard. I’m able to put the M570 on that angle, on the Wave, and now I’m able to use the mouse with more natural, handshake-style grip, which is infinitely better. I’m able to still use all the buttons on the mouse, and control it just the same as I ever was, and now I don’t have to twist my arm to use it. I made the kind of concave, “wave” shape in order to still be able to use my keyboard number pad. (And I just thought it looked cool, too.) So, I really think Logitech should come out with an accessory, similar to this, or just make the mouse where you can use it with a handshake grip. Very nice! So if you use the Logitech M570, I suggest that you get to carving one of these. It takes a little getting used to, but if you’re already used to the mouse, it doesn’t really take any getting used to. Well, that’s it. Enjoy!


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Logitech M570 Trackball — 395 Comments

  1. [..YouTube..] very cool, im thinking about getting it, except the price is too high. Do u notice any loud squeaking from the scroll wheel? that was also a bad part of the mouse i heard about

  2. [..YouTube..] When I first started using the mouse, the scroll wheel did squeak and felt rough. It is definitely the most unpleasant part of the mouse. However, after a couple of days of use (for me that means about 30 hours), the squeak went away completely and it started to feel a lot smoother. Now it is fine. Thanks for the comment.

  3. [..YouTube..] ColorBlotch,

    No doubt…

    Some of that flatness is exaggeration on the video for demonstration. Some of that is also the reality of a poorly purchased desk that I can’t afford to replace right now. The height is funky and forces me into weird positions. However, I’ve found that I really do like the near 70 degree angle I now get with the stand I made. It’s more comfortable than anything else I’ve ever tried on any other desk.

  4. [..YouTube..] @ColorBlotch,

    The height is the biggest drawback. I’ve knocked it over a couple of times moving to it from the keyboard. I’m hoping getting used to it’s height will help. It’s definitely not a perfect solution, but I’ve been struggling with this desk situation…so it helps. Thanks for the comments.

  5. [..YouTube..] I think the reason why your trackball wasn’t completely comfortable for you in its normal position is because you didn’t grip it optimally. When I hold it (mine is very similar in shape logitech trackman wheel) my wrist is about 45 degrees against the floor. Your way of holding is much flatter.

  6. [..YouTube..] @wbboyd
    That explains it then. I wouldn’t be surprised if I myself found such angle more comfortable to hold. The problem I envision is that reaching keyboard with my right hand and then going back would become much more cumbersome with such an obstacle in the way. Maybe placing an angled tackball in some kind of recess, so that it sits under the level of keyboard could help…

  7. [..YouTube..] @wbboyd

    Interesting custom modification that you fabricated for achieving a comfortable radial “tilt” for your Logitech M570 trackball mouse.

    I managed to locate another mouse (sans trackball) that you *may* be interested in. It is called the “Evolent Vertical Mouse” and has an interesting inventor background history to its creation.

    Further info can be accessed here (just remove the spaces added between some of the characters in the link):

    h t t p : / / w w w . evoluent . com/story . htm

  8. @wbboyd

    Interesting custom modification that you fabricated for achieving a comfortable radial “tilt” for your Logitech M570 trackball mouse.

    I managed to locate another mouse (sans trackball) that you *may* be interested in. It is called the “Evolent Vertical Mouse” and has an interesting inventor background history to its creation.

    Further info can be accessed here (just remove the spaces added between some of the characters in the link):

    h t t p : / / w w w . evoluent . com/story . htm

  9. [..YouTube..] IMPORTANT: You should place the mouse in front of the keyboard (can take some getting used to)! Removes the twisting of the arms and shoulder/arm pain. I’ve had Trackman Wireless Wheel for 10 years, just ordered the M570 today. Been waiting for an upgrade for a very long time. Glad to see they finally released one =). Nice video.

  10. IMPORTANT: You should place the mouse in front of the keyboard (can take some getting used to)! Removes the twisting of the arms and shoulder/arm pain. I’ve had Trackman Wireless Wheel for 10 years, just ordered the M570 today. Been waiting for an upgrade for a very long time. Glad to see they finally released one =). Nice video.

  11. [..YouTube..] OMG…. great idea man. I think I’m touching on a wicked case of carpel tunnel syndrome again, okay, not like some years ago where I finally figured out that holding keyboard in my lap was the key. Anyway, I also do web development and spend way too much time in front of a Mac, and I think the newer magic mouse is finally taking it’s toll… right wrist pain. Was wondering if there was anything on the market shaped exactly like you make your 570. If you’ve seen anything please let us know.

  12. OMG…. great idea man. I think I’m touching on a wicked case of carpel tunnel syndrome again, okay, not like some years ago where I finally figured out that holding keyboard in my lap was the key. Anyway, I also do web development and spend way too much time in front of a Mac, and I think the newer magic mouse is finally taking it’s toll… right wrist pain. Was wondering if there was anything on the market shaped exactly like you make your 570. If you’ve seen anything please let us know.

  13. [..YouTube..] What a great idea! I’ve had the wireless trackman for about 10 years now and I wouldn’t use anything else. When I saw what you created, I realized that I had been doing something similar: Since it was wireless and light I found myself resting it on the side of my right leg at the same angle your wave. nice job

  14. What a great idea! I’ve had the wireless trackman for about 10 years now and I wouldn’t use anything else. When I saw what you created, I realized that I had been doing something similar: Since it was wireless and light I found myself resting it on the side of my right leg at the same angle your wave. nice job

  15. The wow pen has given my wrist a lot of relief and is the same basic idea as this except that it is a lot less cumbersome.

  16. [..YouTube..] Wow, smart idea with the ergonomic wave. I picked up my mouse and propped it up against a book to see how it felt. It was interesting, but not something I’d do. If it works, why not?

  17. Wow, smart idea with the ergonomic wave. I picked up my mouse and propped it up against a book to see how it felt. It was interesting, but not something I’d do. If it works, why not?

  18. [..YouTube..] Ive used a wired trackball mouse at a customers house, everytime I go over the more and more i likethem. now that i know its wireless, i might have to invest in on sometime.

  19. [..YouTube..] I remember my uncle having a track ball when I was younger, I used to think it was so futuristic. I’m more of a mouse guy though, I always feel like I don’t have enough control unless I’m using a regular old mouse.

  20. [..YouTube..] I tried one of those things but couldn’t get used to it. It might be that I’m used to “normal” mice ’cause I haven’t gotten used to trackpads either.

  21. [..YouTube..] I wrestled with the desk positions too. Got myself a narrow keyboard (looks like a laptop keyboard): no need to hover my hand across that useless numpad.
    Also: I now position the trackball in front of my keyboard. So when I operate the trackball, my underarm is parallel to the keyboard. But your verticalmouse concept is great too, will sure remember that.

  22. [..YouTube..] I wrestled with the desk positions too. Got myself a narrow keyboard (looks like a laptop keyboard): no need to hover my hand across that useless numpad.
    Also: I now position the trackball in front of my keyboard. So when I operate the trackball, my underarm is parallel to the keyboard. But your verticalmouse concept is great too, will sure remember that.

  23. I wrestled with the desk positions too. Got myself a narrow keyboard (looks like a laptop keyboard): no need to hover my hand across that useless numpad.
    Also: I now position the trackball in front of my keyboard. So when I operate the trackball, my underarm is parallel to the keyboard. But your verticalmouse concept is great too, will sure remember that.

  24. [..YouTube..] I’ve been thinking of getting one of these and this was really helpful -- especially the part about angling the mouse so its closer to being vertical.

    Thanks for posting! Hope the pain’s gone man.

  25. [..YouTube..] @afivey Thanks for the comments bro. Yes, the pain is MUCH less these days, especially after using the computer/mouse for an extended period of time. I have been using the same one at work as well, and it’s been great!

  26. [..YouTube..] I used a trackball since ’99. Had to go back to a mouse for gaming as my last trackball started to mess up. How is the response with the wireless. That is the only real reason I didn’t get a new one.

    For you and other thinking of getting one. The thumbball can be awkward at first but once you get used to it, it is great.

  27. [..YouTube..] @pds72 Wireless has zero issues for me, both at home and at work. It took me a good few days to get confy with the whole thumbball thing, but now I don’t even think about it. I love this thing!

  28. I noticed 2 little holes on the ball of my M570. This gives me some little blocking when rolling the ball. Don’t you noticed that?

  29. [..YouTube..] I ordered this one just yesterday im really looking forward to it 🙂
    I heard only good about m570 but i feel a bit nervous because i will use it for gamin too. some said that why does it have to be wireless if dont move it, but if someone has a laptop and he/she carries it around its really useful.
    and nice review, the only thing i donno is that can u program the up-down buttons for others like zoom in-out, open these folders or something like i have with my m550 which is also a great mouse 🙂

  30. [..YouTube..] @CurseHunter4 I like the fact it is wireless cause there is one less wire on/around my desk. Good point though about it never moving (unless you take it with you on a laptop). You can change what the forward/back buttons do using the Setpoint software, but for game specific, I’m sure you could just like a regular mouse (I don’t game much, so not 100% sure).

  31. [..YouTube..] The reason you have wrist pain is because you use a keyboard tray. Try laying your arms out on the desk. If you’re typing and your elbows are not making full contact with the table, you’re doing it wrong.

  32. [..YouTube..] @sanitydotorg I appreciate the comments, but I just recently started using a keyboard tray. I have had wrist pain for over 7 years, and never ever used a keyboard tray. It’s from a roll-over truck accident (hit black ice on the highway). At work, I don’t use a keyboard tray, I do lay my arms on the desk (which I actually like better than a tray, I just don’t have the room now with this small corner desk).

  33. [..YouTube..] It’ll take you maybe a day or two to get used to it, but once you get used to it it’s much more comfortable. I play FPS with trackball and it’s fine for most games.

  34. [..YouTube..] @PCAddictsLive Thanks for the reply. I wish companies would make a gaming oriented trackball. I currently have a MS Trackball Optical 1.0. I would love to have an gaming version of that where the optical sensor is replaced with a higher DPI laser sensor and have the ability to change DPI on the fly.

  35. [..YouTube..] @awdrifter3 I hope they do come out with more options in the future. I have seen a lot more people ordering track balls at work in the past year because of this model here, so hopefully it’s happening all over. This should push makers to making some more options, like you suggested. Although, I am very happy with the one I am using, I would like to see more!

  36. [..YouTube..] @awdrifter3
    I checked out a comparo review before this one.
    watch?v=C-JpBeGwac8
    I have the corded version of the one with the red
    ball. It’s definitely an upgrade to the old one I have.
    I’ll get it when I see it on sale.

  37. [..YouTube..] I checked out a comparo review before this one.
    watch?v=C-JpBeGwac8
    I have the corded version of the one with the red
    ball. It’s definitely an upgrade to the old one I have.
    I’ll get it when I see it on sale.

  38. [..YouTube..] I’ve been using a trackball for a year or two now, and edit pictures on an almost daily basis. The problem you talk about with trying to focus on one little section will go away very quickly once you get used to it — I actually have that problem with using a mouse now trying to do what I want to on a tiny section of a picture! 🙂

  39. [..YouTube..] the answer to all of this is to get wireless and get away from the DESK.. i sit on a big comfy lazyboy chair with my body all stretched out.. and just use my dinovo edge keyboard for everything.. trouble is i do fall asleep sometimes.. L.O.L. .. still it is really great….

  40. the answer to all of this is to get wireless and get away from the DESK.. i sit on a big comfy lazyboy chair with my body all stretched out.. and just use my dinovo edge keyboard for everything.. trouble is i do fall asleep sometimes.. L.O.L. .. still it is really great….

  41. but how is this for gaming?
    i don’t use my pc for for anything else and i don’t want one of these if it won’t work well.

  42. [..YouTube..] @SilverGunZoO as do I & ur wrong if u think wireless would interfere with ur abilities. The products coming out these last few years have no difference in response time that u can see or feel, this only applies to the higher end gaming wireless devices, not cheap $20 to $50 ones. Wired in my case have been an annoyance for me in certain situations.

    I had a ms trackball back when we played NOLF2, I was always #1 or top 3 in all ffa matches. It took me 6 months to get good though.

  43. [..YouTube..] as do I & ur wrong if u think wireless would interfere with ur abilities. The products coming out these last few years have no difference in response time that u can see or feel, this only applies to the higher end gaming wireless devices, not cheap $20 to $50 ones. Wired in my case have been an annoyance for me in certain situations.

    I had a ms trackball back when we played NOLF2, I was always #1 or top 3 in all ffa matches. It took me 6 months to get good though.

  44. Finger in the up! I like very much when people are able to think and to realize their ideas with their hands in life.
    Ordered today, currently the same on eBay.

  45. [..YouTube..] Trackballs are fine for anything, games included. It just takes time to get accustomed to using one, you have to develop the ability to control your hand in a more coordinated way, so you don’t interfere with moving the ball whilst pressing buttons. It just takes a little more time than a mouse.

  46. [..YouTube..] @SilverGunZoO dude there are plenty of pro gamers with wireless devices, more do prefer wired mode thats a fact but there are plently that dont use them too. Your wrong and to prove that go look up the pro rules for MLG. Some wireless devices are actually not allowed while others are and an example is only 1 wireless controller for Blackops. If nobody used them, their wouldnt be rules for the wireless mice.and controllers. Devices these days are different than 5 years ago, face it.

  47. [..YouTube..] dude there are plenty of pro gamers with wireless devices, more do prefer wired mode thats a fact but there are plently that dont use them too. Your wrong and to prove that go look up the pro rules for MLG. Some wireless devices are actually not allowed while others are and an example is only 1 wireless controller for Blackops. If nobody used them, their wouldnt be rules for the wireless mice.and controllers. Devices these days are different than 5 years ago, face it.

  48. [..YouTube..] @SilverGunZoO Okay sounded like you were deadset on none existed. If its not for you, as you have done, get what you play best with. For me the cord is a nuisance, some mousepads with cord clips helped a liitle but I found, depending on the cord and its position, I could feel the cords resistance sometimes, with wireless it doesn’t exist. I haven’t tried any of the newer types like the Razer Mouse Bungie though. I do want to try a Novint Falcon and similar new types of mice replacements.

  49. [..YouTube..] Okay sounded like you were deadset on none existed. If its not for you, as you have done, get what you play best with. For me the cord is a nuisance, some mousepads with cord clips helped a liitle but I found, depending on the cord and its position, I could feel the cords resistance sometimes, with wireless it doesn’t exist. I haven’t tried any of the newer types like the Razer Mouse Bungie though. I do want to try a Novint Falcon and similar new types of mice replacements.

  50. [..YouTube..] @1NutWhoreBitOffMyNut If I think a wired mouse is better than a wireless mouse, even if it’s true or not, for me it’s true, it’s better for me, I’ll play better, I’ll not worry about it.

  51. [..YouTube..] If I think a wired mouse is better than a wireless mouse, even if it’s true or not, for me it’s true, it’s better for me, I’ll play better, I’ll not worry about it.

  52. AWESOME idea! I suggest that you patent it, have them made locally & sell them affordably! Let us know when here they’re coming out!

  53. [..YouTube..] @mrsacriligeous I’ve had over a decade if using trackballs so I’m a little biased but I have no issues playing games with mine be they rts/fps/rpg or whatever three letter acronym takes your fancy, I can compete just as will with a trackball as a normal mouse. Only for longer, as using a normal mouse causes me wrist pain after a short period of time.

  54. @mrsacriligeous I’ve had over a decade if using trackballs so I’m a little biased but I have no issues playing games with mine be they rts/fps/rpg or whatever three letter acronym takes your fancy, I can compete just as will with a trackball as a normal mouse. Only for longer, as using a normal mouse causes me wrist pain after a short period of time.

  55. Hey wbboyd,
    Looks great!
    What tools did you use to carve this? If I dont own the tools do you think it is possible to rent them?
    thanks!

  56. [..YouTube..] The mouse def is nice despite a few hiccups (dropped mouse events, random double clicking on single clicks). The flat pos tho is starting to take a toll on my wrist.

    Seeing this video, I just gripped the mouse and held it sideways and was surprised at how much strain left my wrist and forearm X_X -- Great video!

  57. The mouse def is nice despite a few hiccups (dropped mouse events, random double clicking on single clicks). The flat pos tho is starting to take a toll on my wrist.

    Seeing this video, I just gripped the mouse and held it sideways and was surprised at how much strain left my wrist and forearm X_X -- Great video!

  58. [..YouTube..] I’ve used a trackball for 2 years now, I love them. They’re great for gaming, and take the strain off my wrist.
    The only issue is the lack of a scroll wheel on most. The M570 seems to solve that issue, but I can’t help bur think that controlling the ball with your thumb would significantly reduce the accuracy of movement.

  59. I’ve used a trackball for 2 years now, I love them. They’re great for gaming, and take the strain off my wrist.
    The only issue is the lack of a scroll wheel on most. The M570 seems to solve that issue, but I can’t help bur think that controlling the ball with your thumb would significantly reduce the accuracy of movement.

  60. [..YouTube..] 12 years ago i received a trackball froma a budget company: i felt it a thounsand times better than my super duper mouse at the time.
    today I still have the original one, and recently an M570, i uset it in the office and at home.
    it is just brilliant, precise, and naturally comfortable on my wrist.
    thumbs up.

  61. 12 years ago i received a trackball froma a budget company: i felt it a thounsand times better than my super duper mouse at the time.
    today I still have the original one, and recently an M570, i uset it in the office and at home.
    it is just brilliant, precise, and naturally comfortable on my wrist.
    thumbs up.

  62. [..YouTube..] I only have one criticism of the M570 and that is that iot is a bit on the small side.
    I do not have large hands but it seems more aimed at the asian market or maybe women as I can not relax my hand across it and must keep my fingers centered on the buttons.
    The similar A4 tech model was much larger, even a little larger than necesary

  63. I only have one criticism of the M570 and that is that iot is a bit on the small side.
    I do not have large hands but it seems more aimed at the asian market or maybe women as I can not relax my hand across it and must keep my fingers centered on the buttons.
    The similar A4 tech model was much larger, even a little larger than necesary

  64. [..YouTube..] I really don’t understand how anyone can use a stupid mouse that you have to push all around your desktop and lift it to reposition it if you run out of space. So much easier with a trackball.

  65. I really don’t understand how anyone can use a stupid mouse that you have to push all around your desktop and lift it to reposition it if you run out of space. So much easier with a trackball.

  66. [..YouTube..] I have used trackballs for more than 12 years.
    First one was an A4tech which I replaced with the same model when it wore out. It was the same thumb style as this logitech.
    When the second A4tech wore out I couldn’t find another so migrated to a Kensington Orbit optical which has an index finger ball in the center of the buttons. I’ve gone through two of them now, although the second is still working fine but I just got my Logitech M570 today as it pairs well with my K340 wireless keyboard

  67. I have used trackballs for more than 12 years.
    First one was an A4tech which I replaced with the same model when it wore out. It was the same thumb style as this logitech.
    When the second A4tech wore out I couldn’t find another so migrated to a Kensington Orbit optical which has an index finger ball in the center of the buttons. I’ve gone through two of them now, although the second is still working fine but I just got my Logitech M570 today as it pairs well with my K340 wireless keyboard

  68. [..YouTube..] How does it fit in your hand? Does your pinky rest on the mouse or hang over like the typical logitech mice do? My pinky is in paaaaaaain haha… I have a great logitech mouse, but after 5/6 12 hour days of non stop drafting my pinky tendon & knuckle hurts.

  69. How does it fit in your hand? Does your pinky rest on the mouse or hang over like the typical logitech mice do? My pinky is in paaaaaaain haha… I have a great logitech mouse, but after 5/6 12 hour days of non stop drafting my pinky tendon & knuckle hurts.

  70. [..YouTube..] thanks for the review! i was wondering about using the ball vs traditional mouse. I am thinking of switching because I also spend hours on the computer on the job (accountant).

  71. thanks for the review! i was wondering about using the ball vs traditional mouse. I am thinking of switching because I also spend hours on the computer on the job (accountant).

  72. [..YouTube..] Nice review! Any reason you chose the thumb-tracking M570 over a model that uses your finger tips? I’m used to the Marble Mouse and the Kensington Orbit, so I think it would be tough to get my thumb to work with the same degree of precision.

  73. Nice review! Any reason you chose the thumb-tracking M570 over a model that uses your finger tips? I’m used to the Marble Mouse and the Kensington Orbit, so I think it would be tough to get my thumb to work with the same degree of precision.

  74. Thanks for the comment. The first few hours of using it was a little awkward, but soon after that it was great.

  75. [..YouTube..] Logitech should really refresh their fingertip-style TrackMan in the same fashion. I would buy that immediately. Trackballs are great.

  76. Logitech should really refresh their fingertip-style TrackMan in the same fashion. I would buy that immediately. Trackballs are great.

  77. [..YouTube..] Hey, this is really nice. I would recommend you doing some lil adjustments (on the base, for example, I think it would be better if it had a concave bottom) and print some pieces with a 3D printer, perhaps in different colors (even transparent/ice colors). I am currently looking for a trackball as I’ve been having some wrist pains, and I would totally buy one of your pieces.

  78. Hey, this is really nice. I would recommend you doing some lil adjustments (on the base, for example, I think it would be better if it had a concave bottom) and print some pieces with a 3D printer, perhaps in different colors (even transparent/ice colors). I am currently looking for a trackball as I’ve been having some wrist pains, and I would totally buy one of your pieces.

  79. [..YouTube..] Logitech still doesn’t get it ,one of the best trackballs was/is Logitech T-CL13 TrackMan Marble Wheel ,it is still selling for about $60-100 online.
    The new Tracball M570 is to small the buttons are to close you hand will get num after a while ,Im using the old trackman for pc gaming (first person shooters) and music recordings .Logitech please go back to the drawing board and work on new Logitech T-CL13 TrackMan Marble Wheel .

  80. Logitech still doesn’t get it ,one of the best trackballs was/is Logitech T-CL13 TrackMan Marble Wheel ,it is still selling for about $60-100 online.
    The new Tracball M570 is to small the buttons are to close you hand will get num after a while ,Im using the old trackman for pc gaming (first person shooters) and music recordings .Logitech please go back to the drawing board and work on new Logitech T-CL13 TrackMan Marble Wheel .

  81. [..YouTube..] Thank you! I was going to return it after using it for a month and noticing the pain in my shoulder. I tried to hold it the way you’re holding and it is so much more comfortable!

  82. Thank you! I was going to return it after using it for a month and noticing the pain in my shoulder. I tried to hold it the way you’re holding and it is so much more comfortable!

  83. Ah man, what a godsend! Thank you for showing me that the ball comes out! She’s in there pretty tight compared to another trackball I use to use (died) and I figured this one did not come out. Searching “m570 trackball maintenance” brought me here. Man was she dirty! That it still worked is miraculous. I thought this one was going to need to be replaced (wasn’t responsive, stiff to roll, but that’s because it had a year’s worth of build up!). I love this trackball.

  84. Thats a good question.. I can’t answer this one since I switched from a regular mouse. Someone else here hopefully can answer this one for ya.

  85. Haha, I have been looking all over online to find out if there are supposed to be pads for the tracball, because mine has been slowing down and jamming. Here its just gunk! Eww! Thanks for the great review, keep it up

  86. Hi, great vid. Do you by any chance know how to open up the mouse itself? I play PC Games and my right click wont respond efficiently anymore, the mouse is relatively new (Less than 6 months) and I wanted to see if there’s some sort of contact that gets dirty on the clicks and all that. thanks

  87. I haven’t opened mine up, but on the bottom of the mouse I see a small screw. I bet under the rubber pieces, there are screws there too, so if you remove the rubber pieces, I bet you will see more screws. Take them out, and I would assume the mouse would split in half.

  88. What’s the price about this M570 over there?
    In Greece it’s about 60 euros… Isn’t it so much for a mouse? Even if it is a trackball….
    I had the Microsoft trackball explorer, it was perfect… It lasted 10 years! I loved it..
    But I cannot find another one…

  89. Yeah I am still programmed to jut my mouse around, also I do find the ball on this to be kind of stiff and it takes a bit of effort to move the pointer about in both Windows and Linux (dual booter).
    It feels comfortable as all heck though

  90. The stiffness should go away soon… I felt the same thing with mine too… at first didn’t like the stiffness, but after a while, I either didn’t notice it anymore, or it got broken in lol.

  91. FYI: That access hole directly under the trackball allows you to push the blunt end of a pen through and pop the trackball out.

  92. Make sure to download and install the Logitech Set-Point software; it will allow you to make precise adjustments to the trackball and assign various useful functions. I had the Logitech wired version; it started to fail and Logitech replaced it free of charge with this unit. It is a thing of beauty. Once you get used to this you’ll never use a mouse again!!

  93. The battery does last for 18 months… Logitech didn’t lie about that one! And I’m a gamer and it works wonderfully! Play MW2 is great, Minecraft is awesome! You can do whatever you want with it… its a mouse. Don’t get why ever ask “Can you game with it?” Well can you game with the trackpad on your laptop? Sure, its not great for obvious reasons, but you can do it!

  94. I’ve been using the Microsoft Track Ball Explorer for years, but it shows its age and doesn’t work too well anymore. I bought this Logitech M570 and it works fine. It’s much smaller than my previous unit and with big hands like mine, it’s a little ‘miniscule’. The really difficult part for me is, that this track ball works exactly opposite to the MS Explorer. I’m used to click with my thumb and roll the ball with my fingers, but in a few years I’ll be fine… 🙂

  95. Trackballs are awkward at first but after awhile u get used to it… My Trackball is Logitech also Logitech is the best Trackball. Personally Trackballs are the best gaming mice in the market.

  96. Yupp, on the bottom is an on/off switch. I think it actually goes into some sort of a sleep mode though to be honest… The single battery lasts forever!!

  97. How’s your wrist pain now? I’m seriously thinking buy a trackball or a vertical mouse because my wrist is a mess…damn gaming! 😀

  98. Give a trackball a try! I have an old PS/2 Logitech Trackman and a Microsoft PS/2 Ergonomic keyboard -- they’re both a dream to use!

  99. Thanks man, I tried this one monday and it seems really really confortable, no more mouse for me soon for sure!!

  100. I must have missed this comment when you posted it. My wrist pain is there, but… much less painful than when I was using a regular mouse.

  101. Hey Users of this product, try using your pointer finger and your thumb to move the ball if you are already not. that is how I do it and I was wondering if it was known to do that since this guy does not. please reply if you try it

  102. Wow, never thought about that one… I just tried it now and it would take some getting used to for me. Anyone else out there do that?

  103. The ergonomics of this thing are just… wow. I had used tons of different Logitech devices over the years and really liked them, but when I got my hand(-s) on this one it was like a whole new world opening up -- almost as if it was modeled after my very hand and fingers. That does of course mean that people with really big hands may have some trouble with it, but for me, it’s the perfect mouse/trackball. I even use it for gaming, an area where trackballs generally don’t have the best reputation.

  104. Great info thanks! My hands are a bit too big for this trackball, but to be honest, it doesn’t bother me. I wish they had different sizes of these things, that way like you said, people with big hands could be a little more comfy. I agree, the ergonomics of this trackball has helped to relieve my wrist pain due to an injury (hole in tendon).

  105. Thanks! I wouldn’t say it’s a gaming mouse, but… I know a lot of people have said they use it for gaming and have no problems.

  106. I would be interested (and I’m sure others here too) to hearing your thoughts when you get it and use it for a bit.

  107. okay then. I’ll post my own review of it on my other channel “CheezyComeD” Don’t bother searching for the channel until the first video on it airs at 5:00PM on Oct 16th. BTW I’m using a Logitech trackball mouse right now, it’s just really old, cruddy, and faded (its from, like, 2002)

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  109. At first yes… but I think it’s only because at first you are trying hard to use it, so you are straining your thumb more than you normally would… after a while, it’s fine (for me).

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  111. I miss my old thumb-operated Logitech mouse, but I can’t see why they wouldn’t make this model with a cord. Wireless battery life on any device sucks, and trackballs are not limited by the cord dragging on them because they don’t move!

  112. I always thought the same thing (about battery life), but no joke, this thing’s battery life is sweet… I think I have replaced the battery once since I have owned it (over a year now). I use this thing a ton, daily.

  113. Well I’m getting one, just because I can’t resist, so I’ll get to see how it performs in my own usage pattern. I am however referring to the life of a single charge of the battery, before it absolutely must be recharged due to loss of tracking accuracy in the pointing device.

  114. Have been using a K340 wireless keyboard for well over a year on the original batteries.
    Added this trackball about 6 months ago. Both use the same reciever so only one usb port is required.
    Felt a bit weird for a few days as my last one was finger controlled but I got used to it and love it now.
    Have used a track ball for 14 years now and wouldn’t go back to a mouse for $1,000

  115. i thought that i can use trackball for 3ds max orbit view..sorry fo ma bad english.but i know u understand…can i use for 3ds max ???

  116. I don’t know the answer to this one -- Maybe someone else here can assist you. Maybe you can buy it and return it if it doesn’t work out for you?

  117. I prefer the ball location on the Logitech Cordless Optical TrackMan, but it looks like they’re trying to phase it out and this one is the only available. I wish there was a bigger market for trackballs because they beat the hell out of mice for precision and movement.

  118. Totally agree when you said you wish there was a bigger market for trackballs. It would be nice to have a lot of different options.

  119. I bought the older silver version of this when I was in high school…15 years ago, I am still using it at work and it works perfectly, so I bought a second one for home. This will last you forever. I just like that I can set it on my lap or hold it against my hip or sit on the couch or use with any kind of limited desk space with no problem -- no bumping things around on the desk.

    I wish someone would make a high dpi multi-function programmable version of this for gaming.

  120. If it doesn’t move on the table, why is it wireless? I own a Trackman Wheel, same model but wired, and it’s a shame that it was discontinued.

  121. Anything a standard mouse can do this thing will also be able to do. So if your mouse allows for it so will this one. It’s just a mouse with a different way to move the cursor around.

  122. Have used this mouse for over 12 months now. As a photographer, my editing processes require me to use a computer daily. This mouse assists me greatly when performing small defined movements during my editing, especially when working on the skin of a Photo Model or other human Subject. In my opinion, it DOES ease wrist pain and helps with any RSI issues one may experience. Highly recommended and far exceeds the use of a ‘standard type’ mouse, form my work.

  123. Nope… The only time I felt my thumb get tired is when I was first learning how to use it and I was trying way too hard… after a while, you learn that you don’t have to keep your thumb stiff to try and get the pointer positioned accurately.

  124. completely agree. I thankfully bought 3 of the trackman wheel devices and still have one that’s working. The 570 for me is a bit small and the wireless is pointles

  125. I still use one at work and here at home… My wrist feels much better but I can’t say for sure if it is a result of using these or not (wish I could). I do know that I can use my computer all day long and not have the pain I used to have when I used a mouse.

  126. Could I swap the ball for the older version (Trackman) ? I really love the red color more on the mouse and it would be more esthetic with my red lights of the keyboard. I wonder how would it handle gaming: DPI speed, responsiveness, trackball usefulness, ergonomics on long periods of gaming ?

  127. You should try the Evoluent mice; they’re vertical, which is supposed to help with wrist pain since your hand isn’t at an angle. Or find a way to tilt the trackball one, like you said.

  128. Tried the M570 on MacBook Pro running 10.6.8. Buttons would not program with Logitech Unifying software. Was assumed faulty and replaced -- still did not work. Local Apple store agreed software would not program the M570. Found “SteerMouse” software online. Works perfectly with the M570 -- unlike the Logitech Unifying software.

  129. I’ve been using them trackballs for years now never had wrist problems.
    To bad there is no wired version anymore tho.
    Liked the review and good luck with your wrist

  130. This mouse looks quite fancy. How does your thumb feel? Will it get tired after a longer use of the track ball?

  131. The first couple of days when I used the computer for a long period of time, I noticed my thumb to be a little tired. But, I realized I was trying to hard to be precise and tensing up my thumb during use. After a bit of use and getting used to it, that is not an issue any longer.

  132. I’ve had about 7 of these wired and wireless, the buttons on every single one of them have worn into a state where I click something once and it rapid fire clicks. Incredibly infuriating if you use them for gaming. As far as comfort there’s really no competition, get a gel mouse pad for your wrists and it’s fine.

  133. Why do you say it’s bad though? I have been using this one since I put this video out and only replaced the battery once if my memory serves me right.

  134. LOL, that’s the exact reason I got one today! I use it and my keyboard in front of the TV with the PC on the table about 8 feet away. It works fine so far, just need to get used to it. If I like it, I’ll buy one for work.

  135. No, it is very comfortable to use. I have this and the discontinued Microsoft Trackball Explorer and the Logitech Cordless Trackman. All of them are brilliant. I wouldn’t go back to normal mouse.

  136. For me, it seems the fact that I am keeping my forearm and wrist in a single position it reduces the stress placed on my injury. No matter how long I use it at anytime, I don’t feel the pain like I used to with a mouse after a lot of use. I do not use any support. I do however place the trackball between me and the keyboard (not to the right of the keyboard) which allows me to not have to move my arm so far when switching between the keyboard and trackball.

  137. The MS Explorer trackball has been by far the best mouse(trackball) I’ve used. I’ve had it for 12 years and have no complaints about it. I have 2 stashed away just in case my present one breaks.

  138. Just waiting for the day when we will have some sort of mind control device. I’m 18 and I have some serious wrist problems due to extensive use of mice and keyboard.

  139. No kidding -- that would be sweet LOL! Ya bro… try something like a trackball out… really helped me. Give it a good week or so for you to get fully used to it before making your final decision.

  140. I just got this earlier today, and my wrist starts to ache when I use it for more than a few seconds. Any suggestions?

  141. It’s probably because you are still new to it. It took a few days for me to ‘relax’ my wrist and thumb. I seemed to always stiffin them both up when it was new and I was getting used to it.

  142. My right mouse button is no longer working. The interior is fine,but the button doesn’t actually hit it when I press it down. Does anyone have any suggestions?

  143. Bummer… I haven’t had any problems with mine (yet) so I couldn’t suggest anything other than taking it apart and seeing if anything had fallin’ in the cracks and might be blocking it from pressing down.

  144. Cool -- I have never liked that feature myself (I think because I always ‘accidentally’ pressed the scroll left/right). I think they should make a couple different versions of this trackball (one should include this feature).

  145. Do you use a massive screen, because when I’m coding sometimes the code becomes to wide for the screen so I need to scroll horizontal.

    Yesterday I just brought the Logitech Touchpad T650 and it is awesome, so many gestures. It makes navigating through the computer very easy. I like it because it has all the features I would want on a mouse.

  146. Oh okay, are you on a laptop screen or something then? I use a high res Apple Display monitor for coding and a 1920x1080 for client side testing, I quite like my set up.

    I was looking looking at that touch pad actually but wasn’t sure about the ergonomics of it. I don’t suppose you’ve noticed any relief in your wrist compared to using a normal mouse? That’s why I went for the trackball to give my wrist a break.

    What language do you work in?

  147. My setup is my laptop to my right and my (1920 x 1080) monitor in front of me. The only time I need to scroll horizontal is when I’m looking at a database or when I have a long line of code.

    Well, it’s just like using a normal laptop mouse. I don’t really move my wrist much because the pad is a little bigger than my whole palm. I really like it because when I’m working on my website when I need to switch from the code edition (Notepad ++) to Filezilla all I need to do is just swipe 4 fingers-

  148. down the touchpad and it will show Filezilla (Because it’s behind Notepad++) then just click “Yes” to update the file wait for it to upload then just swipe 4 fingers back up the pad and it will put Notepad ++ back up.

    As he shows in the video there are really handy gestures. Like the window snap. With two displays it’s good because you can movie windows around without having to grab them.

  149. The language I code in for web development is PHP, and sadly the language I make software in is VB.NET I really want to move to C#. The thing is I’m just really busy with my websites (That right websites) I have to many to manage but I’m slowly shutting down ones that don’t get many visits. At the moment I’m working on my new updates website that I promised to be done this Wednesday. I’m happy though because I’m slowly getting more users.

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  150. But yer anyway I would defiantly recommend the Logitech T650 Touchpad and I’ve only had it for a day.

    Two comment back when I said “As he shows in the video” I meant to add “As he shows in the video of the T650”.

  151. Love, just bought it today to replace my old one, after 4 yrs. it quit, was using my wired one, I like the set up on the M570 so I bought it today. I would never go back to the old style mouse, Ball is the way to go.True, when you 1st use the ball mouse he hate it, but takes about a week to get use to it, no looking back.

  152. Hey Chris, it will help your wrist, compared to the old mouses.
    I have bad wrists too. Never hurts using ball mouse.
    Best thing I do for my wrist is sleep with small wrist braces, my doctor suggested. He was right. He said some people when they sleep we have a habit of bending the wrist when we sleep for some reasons.

  153. Everyone has a hard time pulling the ball out to clean. There is a hole underneath the base and you can pop out the ball!

  154. I was always thinking that way too…. until I bought this one. I think I had to replace the battery once since purchasing it. Unless you are concerned with the range.

  155. I love trackballs 🙂 I’m still using my Microsoft Trackball Optical every day, and I bought it back in 2002! The only downside to my microsoft track is that it can’t aim as precise as a laser mouse (LASER not optical). And you need to use it without acceleration for best results. Otherwise much more relaxing than a regular mouse if you ask me. Thanks to the thumb driven design… I didn’t get carpal syndrome all this time, it can’t be said for all mouse users. …Looking to buy one for my laptop

  156. i my self have the Logitech Trackman Wheel Optical, this is my 3nd one in the past 14 yrs. too bad that the old wired one cost too much. (over 200.00) i may have to get the M570.

  157. I bought this mouse, & want to say I’m kinda disappointed, it’s not good
    for gaming, even moving the cursor to the close button is kinda awkward,
    the regular mouse is easier to work on, are you experiencing the same thing?

  158. I used to have a serial port Trackman and loved it. I just ordered the M570
    off ebay. I’m looking forward to ditching this damn mouse. 😉

  159. I have one and it is unbearable if I don’t have something supporting my
    wrist. I wish it was more comfortable on my wrist. I like everything else
    about it.

  160. I use a trackball mouse (have been for years) with the ball in the middle.
    How long would you think it’d take for myself to get used to one of these
    style trackball mice?

  161. Bought one just because of being snoopy… Now really love it. Maybe you
    have to experiment with cursor acceleration and so on, but it’s worth it i
    think. I ask myself, why I pushed a standard mouse over my desk for so many
    years. Although I’m German and most of us still prefer manual gear change
    in our cars ;-P

  162. I have a corded tracking ball mouse that I used for drawing with and gaming
    with for several years. My gaming improved considerably especially on stuff
    like Battlefield running around corners and setting that bead on someone
    quickly its all in the ball.Lol But seriously mine is up where I can
    control it with more digits/fingers lol. You develope your game and drawing
    skills with time let’s pray. I want to go to a cordless for my new laptop.I
    not crazy about the thumb design but I’m open for suggestions.

  163. Hey Cp I just read your comment about wrist support I have been using a gel
    pad under my wrist for years.fThey are made for us to use look at
    MicroCenter.com or newegg.com

  164. Unfortunately, many people do not try it out for more than 2 weeks. Please
    DO! Only after some time you will notice the benefits. Or not… I speak
    from experience.

  165. Although these aren’t the best for games, these are great. I use mine all
    the time, and I guess its just one of those things that looks terrible when
    you see a picture of it, but when you actually use it it ends up working
    great.

  166. My main criticism of all computer mice that I have ever used over many
    years is that the spring action of the right and left click buttons is too
    weak. This results in you having to hold your hand up when you are not
    clicking, i.e. most of the time. It is this holding up of the hand which I
    think causes stiff or painful wrists. By simply making the springs stronger
    you could obviate this problem and you could rest your fingers on the
    buttons.

  167. Oh boy oh boy, I am on high or what after seeing my newest track ballmouse.
    I have been experiencing wrist pain and elbow pain for a week now and
    bought this as an emergency measure. This mouse has been a blessing since
    the moment I used it. My pain has reduced a lot. A little slow when
    selecting, taking snapshots, editing images though. I give 4/5 for it.

  168. had the wired version growing up back in 2006-2009 and i loved it. on this
    new one. im not sure. the extra buttons, how stiff the ball seems, the
    mouse being smaller. im not to sure if i would like it. should i waste $40
    and buy the new model? or waste $100+ to get the older model. obviously i
    would like a brand new one and i do prefer the wireless over wired.
    especially with my gaming setup. i guess i’ll have to buy the new version
    to try it, i’ll probably just remove the extra buttons and cover them with
    some plastic, glue it together. but who knows, i’ll have to see. i heard
    the dpi is much higher on the newer model. always loved the wristpain free
    mouse. yeah, i think i’ll buy the new model and see, thank you

  169. First hour or two is awkward as there is no muscle memory for the initiate.
    After a few hours doing my basic home computing it is very comfortable.
    Wanted to get use to it at home and then try it for drafting at work.

  170. Just got this Trackball Friday 9-19-2014. It works Great! Especially at
    Bruegger’s Bagels where the tables are small and you don’t have a lot of
    room to move a regular mouse. A+ only thing better was my Microsoft
    Trackball Explorer which was corded and they don’t make anymore. Take a
    little time to get used to but it’s a very minimal amount of a learning
    curve. Highly recommended!!!!!

  171. The wireless-ness is a definite plus for wrist fatigue, as you’re not tied
    to a specific flat surface all day. I normally keep in on a keyboard tray
    under my desk, next to the keyboard. But if that position becomes
    uncomfortable, I can move it up on top of the desk, on just on my leg if I
    want to lean back for while. There’s no orientation issues, because your
    hand is always on it in the same position (no odd mousing angles). It’s
    also handy to take over to my media pc for mousing from the couch. Just
    wish the rollers didn’t need to be cleaned almost daily. 😉

  172. I originally thought this mouse was a normal kind, and got it because it
    fit my hand so perfectly, but when I figured out the ball is how you use
    it, I’m like, FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

  173. You failed to mention the included software to customize the settings. You
    can orient the direction of the arc of your thumb, program the forward and
    back buttons and scroll wheel click to whatever you want, change the speed
    of the scroll, etc. The battery lasts forever. For transportation, the
    dongle resides inside the battery compartment. If you’re in a dusty
    environment the optical sensors may get dirty and the motion sluggish. To
    clean, use a pen to pop out the ball and clear the dust from the sensors
    and reinstall the ball…much easier than cleaning a standard mechanical
    mouse.

  174. I HAVE ONE AND ITS THE BEST MOUSE I HAVE EVER OWNED AND AS AN ASPIRING AUTO
    CAD OPERATOR IT IS VERY CONVENIENT AND I HAVE A WIRELESS KEYBOARD WITH THE
    UNIFYING FEATURE SO I ONLY OCCUPY ONE USB PORT FOR BOTH AWESOME

  175. I’ve gone at least 24 months so far with one battery … use if from 8-5
    Mon-Fri constantly. The only issue I have had so far is the click feature
    via the scroll wheel, but then I used the software to program one of the
    side buttons (left of the left mouse button) to do that operation. I pop
    the ball out about once a month to clean the three contact points.

  176. First thing to say, this mouse is so amazing 😀
    I used it for 2 years, im a gamer, i used it almost every day…
    Now the left mouse button doesnt work, like it should work. I have
    researched for a while, but i didnt find a mouse, which is an alternative
    to this mouse.
    Do you know a track ball mouse, which is as ergonomic like the M570 is, or
    even a really good track ball mouse? Or should i buy a new M570?

  177. For you gamers out there. Check out my youtube videos of me playing using
    the Logitech Trackman Marble Mouse! Ive been using this same mouse not
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